Tribe.net. Local Connections NexGen SolidWorks http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/0caaa484-62a0-4c33-8fd0-1de7ef4f306c 2007-09-16T01:22:32Z 2007-08-24T22:19:32Z

<div>I am a 20 year old engineering student and i have been using solidwork for the past 2 years. I recently started using PhotoWorks to render 3D solid models i made in solidworks and am looking for feedback on my work, both good and bad. ANY INPUT IS APPRICIATED!!! <br/> <br/>http://community.webshots.com/user/NexGen_SolidWorks <br/> <br/>Thanks, <br/>Matt </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

NexGen SolidWorks 2007-08-24T22:19:32Z Joey http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/c4a14881-cc92-4ed8-ab34-4d61880560e8 2007-04-24T14:56:21Z 2007-04-24T14:56:21Z

<div>showing your work this year? let us know about it!</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Joey 2007-04-24T14:56:21Z alabamaslamma http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/7fe9e297-cbe9-4e65-85eb-31725b5bee5c 2007-02-27T16:20:00Z 2007-02-15T16:34:02Z

<div>I just moved to Reno and am looking to network with other designers from here to San Francisco and Las Vegas! <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

alabamaslamma 2007-02-15T16:34:02Z Margrrret http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/724e855d-16a7-4d5b-8fd4-a0dc33711e95 2006-11-03T17:54:53Z 2006-11-03T17:54:53Z

<div>Hi... new here and need some expertise. Here's the situation: 4 years ago, I started a company with a girlfriend. We manufacture dog products, the most innovative item of the line being a series of collars, leads and dog tags with little buttons with epoxy-domed images set into the leather. I am the designer- every item in the line, plus the (admittedly unimpressive, I'm not a web designer) website and logo, is something I designed. Here's a link to the page on our website: http://luckypupdesigns.com/pictovision.html <br/> <br/>There's another company, Winky &amp; Dutch, that's been around for many years that uses similar domes in jewelry, so I didn't come up with this out of the blue- my partner &amp; I liked their stuff and wanted to do something similar, but on leather goods and with different artwork. We actually approached them about doing a line for them, but they dragged their feet for six months, so we decided to go ahead and do it ourselves. But I spent eight months of my life researching suppliers and contractors, getting prototypes made, working with a metal caster to come up with a setting piece that could be attached to leather, research, development , art direction and creation of the images that went on each dome- some were public domain images that I modified or non-pd images that I changed quite a bit, one style was licensed from Shepard Fairey, and some were created by me from scratch. It was a lot of work, and the company was and remains the only job I've had during this period. There's no other company in the pet product world with the same sensibility, and everything you see in the line (including other types of collars, dog coats, tshirts) exists because I did gthe work to create it. <br/> <br/>We've grown at an impressive rate, but like all small businesses, any money that has come in has been going to develop new product and place larger orders each time. My partner, who has been working other jobs as well this whole time, decided she was sick of working for free, despite claiming to have been fully aware that a new business typically takes 3-5 years to show a substantial profit- we're right on schedule. She wants to sell the company, and we've been discussing what the business is worth. (I'm not interested in running it myself, too big, so buying her out is not an option) My accountant told me that when a business is sold, the worth is made up of numerous components: the value of the company itself, the designs, logo, URL, inventory, equipment, etc. She feels the company is worth very little, but both my accountant and I believe she is seriously undervaluing it. <br/> <br/>However, assuming I own the copyright for all the designs- gotta consult with a lawyer on this- even if the company itself is not worth much, I might be able to sell the designs, logo, and perhaps the URL (since I bought it under my own name, not the company's) separately. <br/> <br/>So, my question for those of you out there who have freelance-designed for another company, what do you think this is worth? This is something that the buyer would be able to base their business on for many years to come.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Margrrret 2006-11-03T17:54:53Z hazmattous http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/cbaf8bbc-6aba-466d-8245-a78ff554f1af 2006-09-10T23:27:32Z 2006-04-11T17:21:12Z

<div>I developed a general distaste for ID near the end of my schooling (mostly from department politics I felt reflected the ID world). I use some of the design process learned in school for my metal sculpture and ramdom projects. Some classmates of mine really love what they do and say so with a scary wide eyed dreamy gaze. An engineer friend of mine from Lunar jokingly said his job was to make "skin jobs" ("what ID does") possible. Other ID professionals have mentioned being workaholics and having no time for individual projects. So what are the redeeming qualities of working in ID? Must one be happy with busting ones ass on creating another flashy backpack design? I saw Dyson speak it was great to hear him talk about how he developed his vacume cleaner though it isn't a design process that seems to happen very often. What keeps you going?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 10 replies </div>

hazmattous 2006-04-11T17:21:12Z Clare http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/89ecd4ea-0d14-4610-8563-45e0cfea1fa9 2006-06-18T12:03:18Z 2006-06-18T12:03:18Z

<div>Does anyone know about industrial design schools in France? <br/>I was just accepted into the ESAD de Reims in France, they focus on culinary design. <br/>Anyone know of ENSCI in Paris? I would love to attend that school! Its a dream of mine. <br/> <br/>Other than that, I am looking for some internship work to do over the summer. Can anybody help me out?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Clare 2006-06-18T12:03:18Z Ariel http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/bb7c9c3a-1ada-4838-a713-53b7e47c30fc 2006-02-21T21:18:24Z 2006-02-21T21:18:15Z

<div>Hello, my name is Ariel and I work with the HBMG Foundation in Austin, Texas. Each year we host the ArtSpark Festival, a creative competition for Theatre Artists, Game Designers, and Industrial Designers. If your interested in more information check us out at <br/>www.artspark.org <br/> <br/>Apply soon the deadline is Feb. 28, 2006! </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Ariel 2006-02-21T21:18:15Z digifest organiser http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/9e5b4dc7-3662-4e67-99c2-7f1a938eb063 2006-01-25T20:08:40Z 2005-11-10T16:27:27Z

<div> <br/>Hey Guys, <br/> <br/>We just published the 2006 Telefilm New Voices Call for Submissions at our website - its a PDF you can download from http://www.dx.org/digifest . <br/> <br/>Here's some info: <br/> <br/>-- <br/> <br/>digifest has gone mod! The ‘mod’ theme - short for modern in the ‘60s - and currently used to mean modification - reveals inspiring and surprising innovations in digital design, art and cultural expression. <br/> <br/>We invite you to participate in digifest 2006: mods, an interdisciplinary festival of the best in innovative new media, art and design from Canada and abroad. This year participants will have the opportunity to express the individual’s role within larger systems, be they political, social or corporate, through their own unique and personalized modifications to off-the-shelf products. Modification possibilities may range from personal computers to clothing; from podcasts to public space; from video games and cell phones to cars or dwellings. The do-it-yourself aspect of this year’s digifest means that the range of modifications is endless, with creativity leading the way in unconventional expression. <br/> <br/>Each year 8-12 winners of the juried digifest New Voices call are invited to Toronto, Canada to showcase their work at one of digifest’s high-profile venues, which include Harbourfront Centre, Ontario Science Centre and Design Exchange. In 2006 we will showcase the most innovative transitions in product design from “modern” to “modification.” Work by selected presenters will be installed or displayed. Get your submission in today! <br/> <br/>---</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

digifest organiser 2005-11-10T16:27:27Z julie4 http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/7f3f398d-05c0-4dcc-b13f-e80a4aef8b60 2005-12-29T05:59:35Z 2005-12-28T20:26:39Z

<div>Hi all, <br/> <br/>New tribe on interface design issues (usability, ethics, art, philosphy) of social robots: http://seattle.tribe.net/fn4. <br/> <br/>Trying to form a diverse tribe for discussion of social robots. I'd love to hear from industrial design folks. <br/> <br/>Cheers, <br/> <br/>J</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 2 replies </div>

julie4 2005-12-28T20:26:39Z joe5150 http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/25eec9eb-02aa-4e54-b304-578a719e2983 2005-12-14T03:34:29Z 2004-01-18T23:09:15Z

<div>I just wanted to ask everybody how the market is your cities.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 11 replies </div>

joe5150 2004-01-18T23:09:15Z shiyoushaNamae http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/c67b3504-4e53-48f3-8d1b-bf5571a97f5e 2005-11-08T07:11:17Z 2005-11-08T07:11:17Z

<div> <br/>A tribe for SolidWorks and COSMOS users. This tribe is for all those that like 3D Parametric design using one of the fastest growing software packages out today. Share tricks and tips and ideas or just network with other users. <br/> <br/>http://solidworks.tribe.net/</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

shiyoushaNamae 2005-11-08T07:11:17Z hazmattous http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/1e96b0ad-8eb0-495e-b294-b2c2c8a592ec 2005-11-01T06:35:52Z 2005-11-01T05:08:07Z

<div>I can never help but notice with disgust and humor all of the bad design that surrounds holidays. But this year the urethane pumpkin takes the cake! It is a medium smallish sized "pumpkin" with a nominal wall thickness of about 3/4." I'm not sure if everyone here has worked with urethane or yellow foam. I've heard it is banned in some schools since it is carcinogenic. I have some not so fond memories the dust getting stuck to my skin not to mention the oops I forgot my particle mask and 20 sketch models are due tomorrow toxic flem generating situations. However now kids can have that much fun too by carving their own urethane foam pumpkin! Oh yes and you cannot put a candle in it. </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

hazmattous 2005-11-01T05:08:07Z XanderPiX http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/0ee4ea70-342f-4e64-b14a-46fa42ba4920 2005-10-27T19:19:39Z 2005-10-27T19:19:39Z

<div>I'm an LA amateur photographer looking for creative collaborations on an TFCD basis. Please contact me if you like what you see on my page. <br/> <br/>I might be willing to give TFCD headshot sessions for select individuals. To find out if you qualify, please send me (directly - don't respond to THIS thread) your absolute best and worst head shots and body shots. <br/> <br/>Thank you.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

XanderPiX 2005-10-27T19:19:39Z kenjustice http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/5ad04cf9-86bd-4a8f-91e6-6e62703767ed 2005-10-05T05:39:12Z 2005-02-10T00:58:03Z

<div>I have a chair design, I need someone to make some bent plywood prototypes in the LA area, would be grateful for any leads. <br/> <br/>thanks, <br/> <br/>KJ</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 3 replies </div>

kenjustice 2005-02-10T00:58:03Z fzal http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/eb1048ec-fad6-4f25-9b6e-0257d0f7ca22 2005-10-05T05:34:52Z 2005-10-05T05:34:52Z

<div>As a licensed architect and sculptor, I often find myself drawn to projects on the edge... <br/>Sometimes, they have limited budgets... <br/>Sometimes, they pay nicely... and hence I can do the others pro-bono... <br/> <br/>I have engineers that I work with 'professionally', whom are quite good and even experimental, but their motivation is not simply to PLAY and HAVE FUN. <br/> <br/>There are times when I need to hover large pointy things in the air over a crowd, kant out walls that taper below the 'safety factor'... <br/> <br/>I am looking for structural / kinetic engineers, especially in the Pacific Northwest [or digitally savvy], that would like to play on projects where we would sometimes get paid, and sometimes not... <br/> <br/>Look forward to collaborating with you! <br/> <br/>Ciao, <br/>Fredrick <br/>www.fhzal.com </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

fzal 2005-10-05T05:34:52Z spiraltime http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/753979cc-58bb-4482-8e7f-135043ce65ab 2005-07-29T01:23:45Z 2005-03-18T21:08:36Z

<div>http://www.verdier.ca <br/> <br/>and very nice presentation too! does anyone know more about the michelin design contest this was a part of, and how this concept placed? <br/> <br/>it's very nice how this evokes the classics, versus the current eurovanagon release (which doesn't have as much 'personality' IMHO)... <br/> <br/>Background music sounds like a track from an Interchill (French-Canadian ambient label) artist :) <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

spiraltime 2005-03-18T21:08:36Z theclublife http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/f36180fe-32fd-481b-937b-206710a18384 2005-07-27T19:17:08Z 2005-07-04T08:38:59Z

<div>http://www.idleapparel.com</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 26 replies </div>

theclublife 2005-07-04T08:38:59Z 8a http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/3855bfa3-767c-455b-a844-3814dede7561 2005-07-27T07:24:52Z 2005-07-27T07:24:52Z

<div>Such a must, it's all already SOLD OUT... <br/>Clicquot released a very stylish carrier "Veuve Clicquot Traveller" for peeps going to the beach with their champ'... <br/> <br/>&amp;lt;&amp;lt;This beautiful case comes complete with a single 75cl bottle of Veuve Clicquot NV and two branded flutes. The inner part can then be removed and you have a cute designer bag!>> <br/> <br/> <br/>http://www.sparklingdirect.co.uk/champagne-flute-glasses-uk-delivery.asp?offset=12 <br/> <br/>http://www.24heures.ch/vqhome/le_journal/nos_dossiers/mode_tendances_gadgets/mallette_040705.html <br/></div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

8a 2005-07-27T07:24:52Z e_train http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/d60be5da-f860-43e3-a057-d39a909d9d23 2005-04-21T17:08:08Z 2005-03-16T21:08:55Z

<div>hello all you pros out there. <br/> <br/>i am a graphics person and have a lot of production and mangement under my belt. i am looking to move into the id side of life, perhaps work with product devleopment and design. <br/> <br/>can anyone suggest ways of moving over to that side of things. some of the larger firms that use account execs or project managers. i want to get into doing actual design, but that seems to require a bit of schooling and i would love to get things going now. <br/> <br/>seem vague enough? any help or ideas about entering the field would be stellar. <br/> <br/>thanks <br/>-e- </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 2 replies </div>

e_train 2005-03-16T21:08:55Z INI http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/3a16e890-e151-40b7-90e8-b749c27f6aa5 2005-04-08T14:38:13Z 2005-04-08T05:58:39Z

<div>Hi, <br/> <br/>I'm doing a freelance project, and I don't know what to charge. $20 an hour? <br/> <br/>Help me Obi Wan, you're my only hope.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 3 replies </div>

INI 2005-04-08T05:58:39Z INI http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/2dac98dc-5f5d-4617-bdb5-58336188de9b 2005-04-08T05:56:42Z 2005-03-31T19:10:13Z

<div>Hello everyone. I'm new here. Anyone in the Vancouver, BC area?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 2 replies </div>

INI 2005-03-31T19:10:13Z Carlos http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/8fc22771-6461-430d-bf6e-f90f90dec3a3 2005-03-30T17:44:22Z 2004-06-03T04:49:44Z

<div>what are the qualities a good industrial designer should have?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 22 replies </div>

Carlos 2004-06-03T04:49:44Z Pwaully http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/baf0d8c6-1514-444b-8a71-0cc84bc2b864 2005-02-10T19:13:08Z 2005-02-09T20:51:02Z

<div>After being approved for almost a year, my first chandelier design is about to go into full production! I'm pretty stoked! <br/> <br/>I've had table lamps and other thing that have been produced, but not a chandelier. <br/> <br/>The strangest thing about it would have to be that some changes were made in the autocad phase (my bosses input, not mine). When the sample came in yesterday, it was built to my original specifications! go figure. It's a good thing too, because the changes would have homogenized it and erased the character.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 4 replies </div>

Pwaully 2005-02-09T20:51:02Z theclublife http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/e764f6e7-c782-4b4e-b3ec-e75eed2bcfd9 2005-01-25T23:03:01Z 2005-01-20T17:05:04Z

<div>I went to MIAD in Milwaukee, anyone else.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 17 replies </div>

theclublife 2005-01-20T17:05:04Z martyk http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/1d5a828b-a846-45c5-92b6-afa506e1da16 2004-10-16T22:24:20Z 2004-07-27T03:41:13Z

<div>Does anyone know of a good, reasonably priced rapid prototyping company (anywhere, globally)? <br/>This process is so expensive - I can't wait until the technology advancements bring the cost down.... until then, you really gotta shop around. <br/> <br/>I wonder if one day it fast enough to be used as the method of production?.... </div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 4 replies </div>

martyk 2004-07-27T03:41:13Z klg http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/8e08ff2d-2375-414b-b7cd-225d1159860a 2004-10-11T11:02:33Z 2004-10-11T11:02:33Z

<div>I just started a new tribe for users of formZ. Check it out at http://formZ.tribe.net. There's nothing there yet, but don't let that stop you; it takes members to post, which is where *you* and the folks you invite come in &amp;lt;g>. I hope we can create a vibrant community of users sharing tips and images. <br/> <br/>BTW, if anyone can tell me how to create a listing that can be posted to various tribes with this new software so that I can spread the word about this tribe, I'd appreciate it. I'm completely stymied. <br/> <br/>Wendy</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

klg 2004-10-11T11:02:33Z Carlos http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/680aa8f4-1b5b-4bc4-9c5d-0cb2b8aef8f0 2004-07-11T15:08:50Z 2004-07-09T02:52:33Z

<div>Anyone seen the new ID pics I posted?</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

Carlos 2004-07-09T02:52:33Z Carlos http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/1b8bbbab-936d-4436-a7b0-78159cce9781 2004-07-09T18:50:10Z 2004-07-08T03:28:14Z

<div>Someone who after 6 months of earning a bachelor's degree in ID and after several freelance jobs takes on a completely different, non-design related, job because it pays a good starting salary and offers all the benefits one could ask for, but only plans on doing so temporarily until the "ideal" design job comes along? <br/>Is this person making a stupid choice? Doesn't this only drift one further away from achieving one's goal of some day becoming a successful industrial designer? Or am I alone in thinking this? <br/>Whatever you think, please respond, don't just read this post and move on to the next. Thank you, Merci, Muchas Gracias!!! <br/> <br/> <br/> <br/>p.s. - by the way, this so-called "job" happens to be government funded, which means it's definitely a 5 day a week, 9-5 job, and definitely one that doesn't cut any slack when it comes to one's "personal time". It's a job that requires overtime at least 50% of the time.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 2 replies </div>

Carlos 2004-07-08T03:28:14Z Digant http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/6f8d8454-baae-4850-9abe-436889830e9c 2004-04-30T19:24:06Z 2004-04-16T22:37:13Z

<div>Hey Everyone, <br/> <br/>Just wondering if anyone is working on any interesting projects out there, or have heard of any competitions lately? <br/> <br/>Anyone have a portfolio, or work they would like to post or share? <br/> <br/> - Digant</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 2 replies </div>

Digant 2004-04-16T22:37:13Z Digant http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/f79db7eb-a1eb-4b7c-bdb9-4a47b9335317 2004-01-18T23:24:21Z 2003-12-11T14:28:17Z

<div>Welcome to the ID Tribe. Hopefully this will be a forum for discussing anything and everything related to industrial design and design related topics, networking with other designers, and talking about design issues. <br/> <br/>So feel free to post about anything you've seen, heard about, are working on, or anything else you'd like. <br/> <br/> - Digant</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

Digant 2003-12-11T14:28:17Z spiraltime http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/a3df7dab-842d-4fa3-999c-1d64720872ef 2003-10-25T00:48:04Z 2003-10-22T03:04:58Z

<div>I'm designing bathroom elements for a contest (the deadline is right around the corner - october 31st) and need to take my sketches from drafting style renderings to something more sophisticated. i have rhinocerose but am not too familiar with it. i wonder if having my drawings complete would make that easier. i guess i need advice on how to render these designs as tightly as possible with shading, etc. one option i thought of was to do product designs and then let friends - anime and other artists - incorporate their characterizations with furniture in disparate stylized - but connected to the concept - themes. these are all curvy shapes, so i am wondering if i should do these in illustrator (i have some experience in that). a couple of years ago, for illustrating a 13' dna helix sculpture i was working on for bm, i did drafting layouts, then scanned them and tweaked them a bit on the pc. but i want these to look as good as possible. any advice? <br/> <br/>thanks! <br/> <br/>jay</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 1 reply </div>

spiraltime 2003-10-22T03:04:58Z Digant http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/c5a4f8a1-8d5d-4e3d-8db9-8d94e592bdbc 2003-10-20T13:40:27Z 2003-10-20T13:40:27Z

<div>And if you aren't directly involved with ID or product design, and just interested, don't feel bad. You're welcome too.</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Digant 2003-10-20T13:40:27Z Digant http://industrialdesign.tribe.net/thread/c0ba1bb4-3aa0-4fc0-8c72-a576b03d3a59 2003-10-20T13:36:59Z 2003-10-20T13:36:59Z

<div>I know that there are many other tribes about design on tribe.net but I wanted to start something for people involved, or interested in Industrial and or Product Design. So what are you guys interested in or what do you do? <br/> <br/>I am a student at RPI studying in one of the few engineering based (that I know of)Product Design programs. <br/> <br/>Look forward to hearing back from you about what you're up and to, and what you're interested in. <br/> <br/> - Digant</div> <div> posted in <a href="http://industrialdesign.tribe.net">Industrial Design</a> - 0 replies </div>

Digant 2003-10-20T13:36:59Z